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shannon21
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« on: September 29, 2011, 11:08:20 PM »

Hello all! I would like to write an article about the draw of the theory of evolution, the "grey areas" that some find between it and Creationism, why evolution is the only "creation story" being taught in today's public schools, why is it so easily accepted as fact, etc. I would really love people's opinions, from one or from both sides. As this can be a controversial topic, please keep from getting too fiery Smiley

Thank you so much!

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« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2011, 12:39:56 AM »

I think the primary reason evolution is taught in the schools rather than creationism is because of the aspect of religion. There's not a school district in the nation, to my knowledge, that wants to get embroiled in the controversy that would ensue: if you are going to teach creationism, which is the theory that the world was created by a deity of some kind, which religious deity are you going to teach? Is it going to be God? Jehovah? Allah, whom the Muslims believe created a perfect, orderly universe? Each of these religions believe their God created the world but in different ways and for different reasons, so which to teach?

The creationists themselves have contradictory beliefs about how the earth came about: some still think the earth is flat, or that it is billions of years old or that it is "only" millions of years young, and that's just to start enumerating the differences in their beliefs.

I'm a Christian, so my personal belief is that God created the world...however, I also believe in evolution. I think creationism and evolution are NOT mutually exclusive, and I believe both are important theories that should be taught and learned in relationship with one another.

Fortunately, I'm not the one who decides things like that ! And my students were juniors and seniors in college, so I never had to answer questions about creation and evolution that i knew I couldn't answer  Grin
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« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2011, 12:41:58 AM »

Hi, Shannon, and welcome to the Writers' Retreat!

How are you planning to use the opinions people might post here, may I ask? Would you be quoting people's posts in your article, or what? I'm not saying you shouldn't ask for our opinions, not at all! I'm just curious, and a bit antsy, about how you would use them in writing your article.

The phrasing of your questions makes it clear where you stand, and that's absolutely fine, of course, but the "loadedness" of the questions makes it difficult to respond, for me, at least.

For instance, you ask, "Why [is] evolution... the only "creation story" being taught in today's public schools?" Well, it's an impossible question to answer, because of course there actually are many creation stories being taught in public schools. Just in elementary schools, kids learn about Native American creation stories, and African and Egyptian ones, and of course Greek and Roman ones...
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« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2011, 10:17:38 AM »

In addition to what Kate said, I would like to add that if you are going to use quotes from people, wouldn't it be a more well-supported article if you interviewed people who study this issue as part of their profession or who are responsible for making such decisions? I'm sure it's fine to get opinions, but I would think you would want some expert input, too.

I, too, am curious about how you plan to use responses you get here.

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« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2011, 11:14:10 AM »

Ohhh, thank you ColoradoKate and Beth. You are absolutely right, I didn't even think about going straight to the sources! That would probably get me the best answers. I was so focused on the public that I didn't even think about that.

Though, in answer to your questions of how I would use your opinions, I don't want to quote anyone specifically. I just wanted a general idea of what people felt. And looking over my questions now, I guess they are a little heavy Smiley.

And Mikki, you do bring up some really good points: it is impossible for schools to figure out which religion to stand on, since they are trying not to favor a certain religion and ostracize others.

Now, I never went to a public school so I must ask: from what I have noticed from people I work with, etc., why is evolution not emphasized as a theory but instead, taken and taught as fact? Now, I could be wrong, but this just seems to be what I've seen.

Thank you so much! Smiley

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« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2011, 11:44:43 AM »

There's a great deal of confusion concerning the meaning of the word "theory." Here's a great article:
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/library/gould_fact-and-theory.html

With a lower-case "e," evolution itself is a fact--plants and animals do evolve (change) over time, and over generations. In fact, all throughout civilization, farmers and herders have capitalized on that fact, to breed stronger and more productive animals and plants deliberately over the years.

So that process is taught in schools--Mendel's experiments with the peas and all that.

Then there's Darwin's theory of evolution. Note the word "theory" in there, and it is taught as such. A theory is "a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something."

The problem with basing an article on what you have noticed from people you work with is two-fold, I think: one, the people you work with are a small group and really can't be used to represent the beliefs and knowledge of people in general. (Asking us here for opinions creates the same problem, by the way--we are not a large enough or diverse enough group to truly represent public opinion.)

And two, you're going to get an unwieldy mix of opinion and fact when you ask folks about these things. If you truly want to know what is taught in public school, for instance, you'll need to look at curriculum, and not just in one area but across the country. IMHO, we really can't base articles on the opinions and memories of small samples of the public.

It sounds as if it could be a great article, and certainly you could write it as an opinion piece (your opinions) but if you intend to include facts (such as how evolution is taught in public schools, or how Darwin's theory of evolution is taught in public schools) then you need to research the facts rather than asking other people their opinions about them... IMHO!  Grin
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« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2011, 12:30:14 PM »

Also, the whole concept of scientific theory (a theory that is used as a basis for further scientific inquiry like Darwin's theory or certain atomic theories) is fairly complex for kids to grasp (and really fairly hard for a lot of adults to grasp when they really aren't putting a lot of thought into it). Therefore, some of the terminology gets confused. And, quite frankly, most people like to sort things into "this is true" and "this is not true" rather than "there is enough verifiable facts in this to use it as a platform for further inquiry."

When I was in school, certain theories of the atom were taught. Now, I'm sure they used the right "theory" terminology when they began introducing the ideas, but they didn't say "in this theory..." "according to this theory..." at the beginning of each sentence. So I pretty  much had this picture of how atoms are structured and I thought it was "true."

In fact, it was off quite a bit and much of the atomic theory I've been taught has been since discarded by physicists. But it was a workable platform at ONE TIME for further scientific study.

Anything taken stictly on faith with no quantifiable evidence can not be taught in science because it's not science. It may be completely TRUE but it's still not science. Science is basically a sytem to guide method of inquiry and gathering of information. Right now, there are gazillion of theories that will be refined or overturned through time. Setting theory in cement is not the purpose of science, but because people want that sorting of "true" and "not true" -- many of them use science to build a faith, using information in ways science doesn't. Science was never meant to do that.

But I believe it is human nature to crave faith. If we discard all religious faith, then humans will turn to something different to build faith upon. It may be a person. It may be a philosophy. It may be science. But there will always be something. History tends to "prove" that.
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