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 on: July 06, 2015, 01:40:04 PM 
Started by ColoradoKate - Last post by jfields
Sure, subplots would be layers.

 on: July 06, 2015, 07:26:12 AM 
Started by ColoradoKate - Last post by judyr
I think subplots are definitely layers. I use emotion to drive subplots. I recently discovered if I start with a character's emotion about a small problem, that can drive his/her motivation in my main plot.

 on: July 06, 2015, 07:24:16 AM 
Started by jfields - Last post by judyr
It's interesting to see how everyone gets to the same point differently. I start out with the main plot, and add the emotions (often in revision). The problem I have is if I don't consider them before I get started, I often have little or no subplots. My novel ends up almost completely focused on one thing.

 on: July 06, 2015, 07:17:41 AM 
Started by ColoradoKate - Last post by judyr
It's been a giant leap for me to actually make subplots into noticeable threads of my story. Theme and imagery seem way out of my grasp at the moment.  Undecided

 on: July 05, 2015, 11:37:07 AM 
Started by judyr - Last post by DONeill
Hope it's OK to respond even though it's now July! I am still trying to get work published that I started in the last century, smile, but I've had five essays published in the last ten years. I haven't given up on my older work and still submit it, but I'm constantly working on new stuff. I think that helps my confidence and my writing. Good luck, and literary history is full of success stories of those who almost gave up and then were rewarded! (Steven King is a great example!)

 on: July 05, 2015, 06:05:16 AM 
Started by jfields - Last post by jojocookie
I just got to say that layered plots are so important.

I've been reading a boat load of suspence novels lately. They all have the same basic outline. Who done it, the romance and resolution. The one that has another layer mixed up inbetween it all is so satisfying. It's like adding a different spice to a meal that has become a tad bit routine. Then I sit up and say, I didn't know I would like that. And I also think, wow this author is good.

 on: July 04, 2015, 08:31:24 PM 
Started by jfields - Last post by DonnaMW
Salex, I don't think there is a 'right' process. Whatever works for you.  Wink

 on: July 04, 2015, 08:24:56 PM 
Started by jfields - Last post by salex
For fiction my characters always change somehow, but maybe that's because I am stuck in the action/adventure mode right now. I'm working on two tween novels now (well one that might be more YA than tween depending on how much grit I decide to put into it). Both are action/adventure--one with a 11 year old girl protagonist and one continuing with my Jake character from the Search for the Red Ghost novel.

In both, I outlined the action and time period first. What is going to happen? What do I want to happen? When will it happen? That gives me the action layer and the basic outline.The action outline leads me into the emotional layer when I try to answer what would motivate someone to do what I want done. That's when I develop the character.

I don't know if my process is right, but it works for me. I find it gets me into my character's head and then he/she takes me along for the ride. At least that is how it worked for my first novel, and it seems to be working for the next two.

 on: July 04, 2015, 05:44:55 PM 
Started by jfields - Last post by jojocookie
I write what comes natural first. That is the emotional stuff. My first version is almost all inner thoughts. Then in the second revision I fill in body language. The third go round is dialogue. Come the fourth round I write the action. Get the mixed up plot figured out. That's my weakness. Inconsistencies with the plot. The fifth revision is what I call the 'why and what' phase. Why did I think this was going to be good!!!!!! What was I thinking!!!!!!! This is lousy!!!!!!! Then I give it a rest.

 on: July 04, 2015, 12:36:36 PM 
Started by ColoradoKate - Last post by ColoradoKate
... by which I mean, you know how sometimes you can see different levels in a book? There's the action, and you can read purely to follow that story. And there's the back story and the character stuff--motivations, growth, and so on.

But then there's the way some very clever writers can weave imagery throughout, like using something in the setting (weather, or sightings of birds, or food, for instance) to provide something that ties the story together and affects the mood of it.

And then there's theme, and how a thoughtful reader can pick out ways that the author has added layers of imagery or the MC's thoughts or repeated actions that emphasize a theme.

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